It was also "goings on" in my congregation that started me down the road to finally researching my religion.
http://www.jwfacts.com/ is a good source of info.
Witness My Fury
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A real difficult congregation???
by quellycatface inmyself and my family have had some odd experiences in our current congregation.
i have'nt been to meetings since september because of this.. 1. the co told the elder who was studying with my husband that he was doing it as an "academic exercise.
" my husband is very intelligent, been in the military, has a degree and a masters and a good job.
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" the universe made itself " but---
by prologos inwatching the fertilization of an ovum and subsequent cell division it appears that the new being is making itself.
parents were involved, unskilled labor, time, energy.
no thing has ever been observed to make itself, to my knowledge.
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Autistic spectrum? I am detecting it.
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" the universe made itself " but---
by prologos inwatching the fertilization of an ovum and subsequent cell division it appears that the new being is making itself.
parents were involved, unskilled labor, time, energy.
no thing has ever been observed to make itself, to my knowledge.
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Prologos, you are as bad as Kate at this, go and watch the programs linked to, go and read some wiki articles on it etc etc.
I said THE maths dont lie, not MY maths dont lie. The maths involved are left to experts in the field who know stuff we can only dream about knowing. The maths point the way, the hypothesis follow, hence recent shift towards dark matter and dark energy in the past 30 years as the causes for the initial formation of the galaxies and also their continued acceleration in an expanding universe.
As an ignorant JW I always assumed and was led to believe that scientists just did a lot of guessing and assumptions in describing the universe or things like evolution and they then get presented as FACT. Turns out that wouldnt be science at all and would quickly get routed out and exposed, so it isnt like that at all. The real science stands or falls on its merits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_wave_equation to get you started.... if you are clever you could work out the speed of light using this equation.
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How Jehovah's Witnesses benefit those humble enough to study the Bible with them.
by Stand for Pure Worship inexcellent material can be found within the reasoning book, page 328, para.2, 3. occasionally, i see posters make presumptuous comments like, "all you need is the bible", or, "i'm born-again, so there's no need for spiritual assistance from another christian", or,"i'm saved", or my favorite, "jesus talks to me directly.
" on one hand, i can't be overly critical of such ones because they do attempt to read and understand the bible on their own.
(acts 17:11) not to mention they're generally peaceable folks, just self-misguided when erroneously believing that they can go it alone.
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Well thats just stupid, image shows in preview but wont show once posted....
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How Jehovah's Witnesses benefit those humble enough to study the Bible with them.
by Stand for Pure Worship inexcellent material can be found within the reasoning book, page 328, para.2, 3. occasionally, i see posters make presumptuous comments like, "all you need is the bible", or, "i'm born-again, so there's no need for spiritual assistance from another christian", or,"i'm saved", or my favorite, "jesus talks to me directly.
" on one hand, i can't be overly critical of such ones because they do attempt to read and understand the bible on their own.
(acts 17:11) not to mention they're generally peaceable folks, just self-misguided when erroneously believing that they can go it alone.
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Witness My Fury
Here u go:
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" the universe made itself " but---
by prologos inwatching the fertilization of an ovum and subsequent cell division it appears that the new being is making itself.
parents were involved, unskilled labor, time, energy.
no thing has ever been observed to make itself, to my knowledge.
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You are correct i dont understand science in the way you describe it... I prefer Jim Al-Khalilli and Brian Cox any day.
I could have spent hours writing post after post to try and explain it but then end result would be the same, you would still choose to believe watever you want to, ...except this way i haven't wasted hours doing it.
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" the universe made itself " but---
by prologos inwatching the fertilization of an ovum and subsequent cell division it appears that the new being is making itself.
parents were involved, unskilled labor, time, energy.
no thing has ever been observed to make itself, to my knowledge.
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Witness My Fury
Your "explaination" is NOT an explanation, why should I explain that to you? That would be like trying to convince Larsinger58 that he isnt Christ.
Here's another: There is a galactic teapot at the centre of each galaxy, they were there BEFORE the universe and the galaxies coalesced around them. Please explain to me why that is not a valid explanation?
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" the universe made itself " but---
by prologos inwatching the fertilization of an ovum and subsequent cell division it appears that the new being is making itself.
parents were involved, unskilled labor, time, energy.
no thing has ever been observed to make itself, to my knowledge.
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It comes down to maths, the maths dont lie. Simples.
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How Jehovah's Witnesses benefit those humble enough to study the Bible with them.
by Stand for Pure Worship inexcellent material can be found within the reasoning book, page 328, para.2, 3. occasionally, i see posters make presumptuous comments like, "all you need is the bible", or, "i'm born-again, so there's no need for spiritual assistance from another christian", or,"i'm saved", or my favorite, "jesus talks to me directly.
" on one hand, i can't be overly critical of such ones because they do attempt to read and understand the bible on their own.
(acts 17:11) not to mention they're generally peaceable folks, just self-misguided when erroneously believing that they can go it alone.
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Others have suggested this is Miz (he had many aliases and has been kicked a few times) and was an ex JW elder if I remember right. I dont claim he is Miz, but I have seen others do it.... my point being here is this:
I will be very pissed off if it is him. I have seen people pretending to be JWs here before in some round about way to show how stupid JWs are or else just for shits and giggles.. I dont find that funny, I dont think it is productive, in fact it is counter productive.
Being an ex JW is about trust and credibility if IF your intention is to help others wake up and leave. Sensationalism (Rick Fearon) doesnt work, half truths and lies dont work, pretending to be a zealous JW in good standing to troll the forums doesnt work in the long run as trust is broken. By doing this you are lying to searching and lurking REAL JWs and allowing the WTS the victory of telling them apostates are liars.
Rant over.
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Letter I wrote to the person the caused me to be disfellowshipped
by jwfacts ina thread on another forum reminded me of a letter i wrote to the person that went to the elders and started the proceedings to have me disfellowshipped.
i stopped believing in the religion when i was 25 but continued going for about ten years.
i finally started to fade at 35, but about 6 months after i had stopped going to meetings, a person wrote a letter to the elders about my website, which at the time was anonymous.
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I'd love to have seen his face....
He must be kicking himself for turning your small site into the biggest and best of it's kind LOL